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		<title>By: broadstuff</title>
		<link>http://twopointouch.com/2007/social-media/rsa-and-social-media/#comment-11570</link>
		<dc:creator>broadstuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 23:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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The RSA is the Royal Society for the encouragement of Arts, Manufactures &amp; Commerce and &#039;works to remove the barriers to social progress&#039;. It is however a &quot;members only&quot; club. The OpenRSA group is facilitating member/non member networks as well as ...</description>
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<p>The RSA is the Royal Society for the encouragement of Arts, Manufactures &amp; Commerce and &#8216;works to remove the barriers to social progress&#8217;. It is however a &#8220;members only&#8221; club. The OpenRSA group is facilitating member/non member networks as well as &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Coffey</title>
		<link>http://twopointouch.com/2007/social-media/rsa-and-social-media/#comment-11258</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona Coffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, Malcolm - thanks for your responses.  Your group suggestion sounds exciting David, as does the conversation you&#039;ll be having at Council tomorrow Malcolm.  Speaking for my gender (?!) I don&#039;t think a buddy scheme sounds too &#039;male bonding&#039; at all, sounds like  a very good idea.  The interesting thing about RSA is that unlike perhaps many other membership organisations, people don&#039;t necessarily enter at the early stages of their career (e.g after they&#039;ve got their baseline professional qualification). I imagine it&#039;s  mixed. So I imagine also that the kind of buddying people need will be quite different - to do with their level of comfort/experience in participating actively in organisations such as this, the degree to which they want/expect to shape things,  as well as their different interests and lifestage. (I can feel some dinner party hostess energy coming on - how to seat the right people together to make for a fabulous conversation?!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Malcolm &#8211; thanks for your responses.  Your group suggestion sounds exciting David, as does the conversation you&#8217;ll be having at Council tomorrow Malcolm.  Speaking for my gender (?!) I don&#8217;t think a buddy scheme sounds too &#8216;male bonding&#8217; at all, sounds like  a very good idea.  The interesting thing about RSA is that unlike perhaps many other membership organisations, people don&#8217;t necessarily enter at the early stages of their career (e.g after they&#8217;ve got their baseline professional qualification). I imagine it&#8217;s  mixed. So I imagine also that the kind of buddying people need will be quite different &#8211; to do with their level of comfort/experience in participating actively in organisations such as this, the degree to which they want/expect to shape things,  as well as their different interests and lifestage. (I can feel some dinner party hostess energy coming on &#8211; how to seat the right people together to make for a fabulous conversation?!)</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Forbes</title>
		<link>http://twopointouch.com/2007/social-media/rsa-and-social-media/#comment-11255</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Forbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 22:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that we can&#039;t just do it online and that we need the face to face too. They complement and can build each other. For instance the meeting that took place last week initiated a flurry of online activity and the setting up of a Facebook group - a start only to opening up of the RSA to a more bottom up approach. Similarly one of the first suggestions on the group was to hold short training sessions on using the technology.
I will be at the RSA Advisory Council on Monday and at David&#039;s suggestion will be arguing for more RSA support for face to face as well as the online. I think Matthew Taylor is looking to open it more and I am looking for suggestions and ideas that I can pass through Council tomorrow. One that has already come in from a Fellow of 5 years that echos your experience Fiona - create a guide for getting involved and have something on the end of a button on the website that says &#039;get involved&#039;. That could be a buddy scheme (is this all a bit too male bonding - fellows and buddies??)  or access to lots of groups doing things that are open to new entrants. I am sure there will be no shortage of ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that we can&#8217;t just do it online and that we need the face to face too. They complement and can build each other. For instance the meeting that took place last week initiated a flurry of online activity and the setting up of a Facebook group &#8211; a start only to opening up of the RSA to a more bottom up approach. Similarly one of the first suggestions on the group was to hold short training sessions on using the technology.<br />
I will be at the RSA Advisory Council on Monday and at David&#8217;s suggestion will be arguing for more RSA support for face to face as well as the online. I think Matthew Taylor is looking to open it more and I am looking for suggestions and ideas that I can pass through Council tomorrow. One that has already come in from a Fellow of 5 years that echos your experience Fiona &#8211; create a guide for getting involved and have something on the end of a button on the website that says &#8216;get involved&#8217;. That could be a buddy scheme (is this all a bit too male bonding &#8211; fellows and buddies??)  or access to lots of groups doing things that are open to new entrants. I am sure there will be no shortage of ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wilcox</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Wilcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fiona - you raise some really key questions about online/offline ... which I think deserve a face-to-face event with a mix of people different skills yet a common commitment to open, bottom-up approaches. Anyone else interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fiona &#8211; you raise some really key questions about online/offline &#8230; which I think deserve a face-to-face event with a mix of people different skills yet a common commitment to open, bottom-up approaches. Anyone else interested?</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona Coffey</title>
		<link>http://twopointouch.com/2007/social-media/rsa-and-social-media/#comment-11253</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona Coffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear RSA online/offline group,

I wonder if it&#039;s OK to pop in and say hello? I am a brand new fellow of RSA, and was surfing the site for like minded fellows on Friday, when I followed the &#039;engagement&#039; thread and found myself here.  I really enjoyed reading your dialogue and the links and your enthusiasm, David,  is infectious and inspiring!

 A couple of things resonated strongly. One is the fact that stakeholder engagement is still working from a &#039;top down&#039; paradigm. I find this a lot in my work with Central Government Departments trying to get more in touch with regions and front line delivery agencies.  In the RSA&#039;s case this is manifested by the &#039;great and good&#039; lecture format, and the sense of Fellows as an untapped resource. Even the Coffee House initiative, which I think is exciting and worthwhile. still for me has a whiff of an idea formulated at the Centre with the expectation that the battalions of fellows  &#039;go implement&#039;.  So I really appreciate and applaud your intiative to open up RSA and get a more equal, dynamic conversation moving between fellows.

The other thing that struck me is the emphasis you place on new forms of interactive technology as a vehicle for opening up dialogue. 
So I understand the online/offline group to exist - at present - as a complement, or counterpoint to the traditional norms of RSA contact with fellows. Would this be right?

The thing is, I am seriously technologically challenged, and I keep getting messages from the universe that I need to open myself to this world and join with people who understand it.

Much of  my expertise is in human and group processes, how to mediate the quality of contact and exchange between groups of people in real time, and the &#039;field conditions&#039; that support more dynamic kinds of  interaction. I feel there is so much to be done here. So I suppose I don&#039;t want to take my eye off the ball of the established &#039;above the line&#039; face to face processes and rituals of the RSA and how to transform them. For example,  holding an RSA Open Space event as a possible way of seeding projects and helping Fellows find links, even changing the seating arrangements in the lecture hall, looking at how events are facilitated and organised for inclusion and participation.

A personal question for me is, how does this understanding of face to face human/group process make itself useful in a technologically driven age, and how might technology support a more &#039;sustainable model of consciousness&#039; that Sean is pointing towards, which I agree is so needed, hippy child or not. And how can I/we  do &#039;offline/online&#039; in ever more powerful ways  which would bring together and tap into both the traditions and the renewal energy inside organisations like RSA? 

I&#039;m not sure what your plans are or what the next step might be in this intiative, but if anything I&#039;ve said is of interest, and/or you are looking for others to contribute to your work,   I&#039;d be really interested to join you.

In the meantime, thanks again for everything you&#039;ve done so far, you have given me a very  stimulating induction into the undersea world of RSA. Good luck with whatever happens next!

Fiona Coffey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear RSA online/offline group,</p>
<p>I wonder if it&#8217;s OK to pop in and say hello? I am a brand new fellow of RSA, and was surfing the site for like minded fellows on Friday, when I followed the &#8216;engagement&#8217; thread and found myself here.  I really enjoyed reading your dialogue and the links and your enthusiasm, David,  is infectious and inspiring!</p>
<p> A couple of things resonated strongly. One is the fact that stakeholder engagement is still working from a &#8216;top down&#8217; paradigm. I find this a lot in my work with Central Government Departments trying to get more in touch with regions and front line delivery agencies.  In the RSA&#8217;s case this is manifested by the &#8216;great and good&#8217; lecture format, and the sense of Fellows as an untapped resource. Even the Coffee House initiative, which I think is exciting and worthwhile. still for me has a whiff of an idea formulated at the Centre with the expectation that the battalions of fellows  &#8216;go implement&#8217;.  So I really appreciate and applaud your intiative to open up RSA and get a more equal, dynamic conversation moving between fellows.</p>
<p>The other thing that struck me is the emphasis you place on new forms of interactive technology as a vehicle for opening up dialogue.<br />
So I understand the online/offline group to exist &#8211; at present &#8211; as a complement, or counterpoint to the traditional norms of RSA contact with fellows. Would this be right?</p>
<p>The thing is, I am seriously technologically challenged, and I keep getting messages from the universe that I need to open myself to this world and join with people who understand it.</p>
<p>Much of  my expertise is in human and group processes, how to mediate the quality of contact and exchange between groups of people in real time, and the &#8216;field conditions&#8217; that support more dynamic kinds of  interaction. I feel there is so much to be done here. So I suppose I don&#8217;t want to take my eye off the ball of the established &#8216;above the line&#8217; face to face processes and rituals of the RSA and how to transform them. For example,  holding an RSA Open Space event as a possible way of seeding projects and helping Fellows find links, even changing the seating arrangements in the lecture hall, looking at how events are facilitated and organised for inclusion and participation.</p>
<p>A personal question for me is, how does this understanding of face to face human/group process make itself useful in a technologically driven age, and how might technology support a more &#8216;sustainable model of consciousness&#8217; that Sean is pointing towards, which I agree is so needed, hippy child or not. And how can I/we  do &#8216;offline/online&#8217; in ever more powerful ways  which would bring together and tap into both the traditions and the renewal energy inside organisations like RSA? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what your plans are or what the next step might be in this intiative, but if anything I&#8217;ve said is of interest, and/or you are looking for others to contribute to your work,   I&#8217;d be really interested to join you.</p>
<p>In the meantime, thanks again for everything you&#8217;ve done so far, you have given me a very  stimulating induction into the undersea world of RSA. Good luck with whatever happens next!</p>
<p>Fiona Coffey</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Forbes</title>
		<link>http://twopointouch.com/2007/social-media/rsa-and-social-media/#comment-11246</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Forbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 14:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I quite like the hippy earth child thinking - think global act local - or is it the other way round now. I also like the idea of using film to project some of the ideas and would recommend one of the projects I am involved in http://www.intomedia.org.uk/index.php?pid=1135 - click on the diabetes film to see how a guyt from one of the south London estates gets the message across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I quite like the hippy earth child thinking &#8211; think global act local &#8211; or is it the other way round now. I also like the idea of using film to project some of the ideas and would recommend one of the projects I am involved in <a href="http://www.intomedia.org.uk/index.php?pid=1135" rel="nofollow">http://www.intomedia.org.uk/index.php?pid=1135</a> &#8211; click on the diabetes film to see how a guyt from one of the south London estates gets the message across.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Blair</title>
		<link>http://twopointouch.com/2007/social-media/rsa-and-social-media/#comment-11245</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Blair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an excellent discussion, I’m struck that it seems to have a modern resonance with the discussions William Shipley et al were having back in 1753 as the RSA was forming. (how to create a more civilised society…)

These, of course are very different times, and some may feel as I do that the challenges facing humanity are wider, deeper and more risk laden than they were at the outset of the RSA.

254 years ago the pursuit was “encouragement of the arts, manufactures and commerce”. There is no shortage, globally of any of these three, and there is much, much upside we enjoy from the legacies of arts, manufactures and commerce. 

The problem is there is much downside too.

The pursuit of a civilised society. 

Hmmm. I only caught a little of PM’s questions yesterday, but the challenges covered included: Terrorism, Health, Drugs, the Olympics, Casinos, Housing, Education, Nuclear Power, Open and Transparent political process….

I’m not sure if the Environment was covered.

My point? I think there are two. The big one first, (it seems to me) that humanity is still in its adolescence, and that we have still to workout how to live in a manageable degree of harmony with each other and our big home, the Earth.

We seem to lack a Sustainable mode of consciousness, or a prevailing worldview that looks like it will offer a bright future for our children (As I write I’m struck I sound like some kind of hippy earth child, the limitation here is my ability to express what it is we all know…)

The second therefore is how to use Social Media (Web 2.0) to get meaningful progressive engagement, (innovative thinking and action) with issues of the day (like the issues covered at PM’s Questions) within a greater progressive framework.

The Drugs Commission the RSA was (is?) such a great opportunity for much wider participation. Most likely members of this discussion have used recreational drugs. As have policy makers and MP’s. Many people have something to say, if properly motivated and enabled.

To drop thinking into the already excellent ideas on offer.

I’d like to see the a provocative set of arguments summarised on a GREAT short film (as well as the words we already have), I’d like to see the film on the home page of the RSA, (and BBC website on launch day) with ways of inviting participation from fellows and non fellows alike.
 
It would be great if we could use the good work of the Drugs commission to inspire or provoke, using a wide range of platforms, (All our websites, you tube, mobile phone younameit) to achieve differing levels and forms of engagement and deliberation with such issues. Arguably it is only through some form of deliberative democracy that informed consensus will evolve.

For me this is as much about innovative, media enable approaches to advancing democracy as it is fellowship engagement. 

I’m sorry I could not attend, I was stuck at Gatwick, but respect to David, Ian and all engaged in this quest for finding a new paradigm for fellowship engagement at the RSA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent discussion, I’m struck that it seems to have a modern resonance with the discussions William Shipley et al were having back in 1753 as the RSA was forming. (how to create a more civilised society…)</p>
<p>These, of course are very different times, and some may feel as I do that the challenges facing humanity are wider, deeper and more risk laden than they were at the outset of the RSA.</p>
<p>254 years ago the pursuit was “encouragement of the arts, manufactures and commerce”. There is no shortage, globally of any of these three, and there is much, much upside we enjoy from the legacies of arts, manufactures and commerce. </p>
<p>The problem is there is much downside too.</p>
<p>The pursuit of a civilised society. </p>
<p>Hmmm. I only caught a little of PM’s questions yesterday, but the challenges covered included: Terrorism, Health, Drugs, the Olympics, Casinos, Housing, Education, Nuclear Power, Open and Transparent political process….</p>
<p>I’m not sure if the Environment was covered.</p>
<p>My point? I think there are two. The big one first, (it seems to me) that humanity is still in its adolescence, and that we have still to workout how to live in a manageable degree of harmony with each other and our big home, the Earth.</p>
<p>We seem to lack a Sustainable mode of consciousness, or a prevailing worldview that looks like it will offer a bright future for our children (As I write I’m struck I sound like some kind of hippy earth child, the limitation here is my ability to express what it is we all know…)</p>
<p>The second therefore is how to use Social Media (Web 2.0) to get meaningful progressive engagement, (innovative thinking and action) with issues of the day (like the issues covered at PM’s Questions) within a greater progressive framework.</p>
<p>The Drugs Commission the RSA was (is?) such a great opportunity for much wider participation. Most likely members of this discussion have used recreational drugs. As have policy makers and MP’s. Many people have something to say, if properly motivated and enabled.</p>
<p>To drop thinking into the already excellent ideas on offer.</p>
<p>I’d like to see the a provocative set of arguments summarised on a GREAT short film (as well as the words we already have), I’d like to see the film on the home page of the RSA, (and BBC website on launch day) with ways of inviting participation from fellows and non fellows alike.</p>
<p>It would be great if we could use the good work of the Drugs commission to inspire or provoke, using a wide range of platforms, (All our websites, you tube, mobile phone younameit) to achieve differing levels and forms of engagement and deliberation with such issues. Arguably it is only through some form of deliberative democracy that informed consensus will evolve.</p>
<p>For me this is as much about innovative, media enable approaches to advancing democracy as it is fellowship engagement. </p>
<p>I’m sorry I could not attend, I was stuck at Gatwick, but respect to David, Ian and all engaged in this quest for finding a new paradigm for fellowship engagement at the RSA.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Delaney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Delaney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks, chaps - 

@simon - very sorry that we didn&#039;t make contact earlier - the 1.30 thing was entirely my own doing. Sensible people left at sensible times.

@Malcolm - yes, it is exactly this transparency that seems to be the key.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, chaps &#8211; </p>
<p>@simon &#8211; very sorry that we didn&#8217;t make contact earlier &#8211; the 1.30 thing was entirely my own doing. Sensible people left at sensible times.</p>
<p>@Malcolm &#8211; yes, it is exactly this transparency that seems to be the key.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Forbes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm Forbes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one Ian I think you picked up the main points I remember. I&#039;m for the idea of a network and incubator. I think the two are necessary for each other and would be mutually re-inforcing. 
The RSA already does incubate projects that range from the Weee Man project on electrical waste (got caught out a bit by the UK delaying implementation until this year) to the Opening Minds - competency curriculum - sponsored Academy school in Tipton - to CarbonDaq http://www.rsacarbonlimited.org/emissions/default.aspa. Some of these are pretty successful but the problem in my opinion is that they were very closed in their development and lacked the network input to go along with them. So 2 things I would like to see is the opening up of the network of fellows to each other and the RSA opening up the project incubator to more ideas - taking more risks perhaps but also allowing for greater peer review and involvement. 
Not sure if Facebook can help that but worth a try.
[Aside - thought I should post here too - this time without the spelling mistakes on facebook. I also got caught out with the facebook word limit but seem to have gotten more in than Simon!!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one Ian I think you picked up the main points I remember. I&#8217;m for the idea of a network and incubator. I think the two are necessary for each other and would be mutually re-inforcing.<br />
The RSA already does incubate projects that range from the Weee Man project on electrical waste (got caught out a bit by the UK delaying implementation until this year) to the Opening Minds &#8211; competency curriculum &#8211; sponsored Academy school in Tipton &#8211; to CarbonDaq <a href="http://www.rsacarbonlimited.org/emissions/default.aspa" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsacarbonlimited.org/emissions/default.aspa</a>. Some of these are pretty successful but the problem in my opinion is that they were very closed in their development and lacked the network input to go along with them. So 2 things I would like to see is the opening up of the network of fellows to each other and the RSA opening up the project incubator to more ideas &#8211; taking more risks perhaps but also allowing for greater peer review and involvement.<br />
Not sure if Facebook can help that but worth a try.<br />
[Aside - thought I should post here too - this time without the spelling mistakes on facebook. I also got caught out with the facebook word limit but seem to have gotten more in than Simon!!]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Berry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everyone. I&#039;m very interested in this activity. I have been keen to find a way to contribute to the development of the RSA since I joined and this may be it. Couldn&#039;t cope easily with meetings that finish at 1:25am in London very well though!

&gt;&gt;as an aside, I tried to post this to Facebook but it told me it was too long! It&#039;s probably right but a serious limitation all the same . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone. I&#8217;m very interested in this activity. I have been keen to find a way to contribute to the development of the RSA since I joined and this may be it. Couldn&#8217;t cope easily with meetings that finish at 1:25am in London very well though!</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;as an aside, I tried to post this to Facebook but it told me it was too long! It&#8217;s probably right but a serious limitation all the same . . .</p>
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