Comments on: It’s a Tag World, My Masters http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/ web 2.0, blogs and social media Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:32:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: In Defence of Tags at twopointouch: web 2.0, blogs and social media http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-2924 In Defence of Tags at twopointouch: web 2.0, blogs and social media Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:37:52 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-2924 [...] I thought I’d done the virtues of tagging to death, here and here. But there’s still more and it involves references to Aristotle and Plato. [...] [...] I thought I’d done the virtues of tagging to death, here and here. But there’s still more and it involves references to Aristotle and Plato. [...]

]]> By: Ben King http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-882 Ben King Sun, 15 Oct 2006 17:06:56 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-882 Well, all you have to know is that they bring a fair amount of traffic to your blog - if you use them properly. Which i am only just beginning to learn how to do. ben Well, all you have to know is that they bring a fair amount of traffic to your blog – if you use them properly. Which i am only just beginning to learn how to do.

ben

]]> By: Mike Stopforth » links for 2006-10-11 http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-828 Mike Stopforth » links for 2006-10-11 Wed, 11 Oct 2006 02:22:23 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-828 [...] It’s a Tag World, My Masters at twopointouch: web 2.0, blogs and social media An excellent post from Ian Delaney exploring the pros and cons of tagging and folksonomies. (tags: tags tagging folksonomy folksonomies collaboration community socialnetworks km knowledgemanagement socialbookmarking web2.0) [...] [...] It’s a Tag World, My Masters at twopointouch: web 2.0, blogs and social media An excellent post from Ian Delaney exploring the pros and cons of tagging and folksonomies. (tags: tags tagging folksonomy folksonomies collaboration community socialnetworks km knowledgemanagement socialbookmarking web2.0) [...]

]]> By: blogdriverswaltz.com » Blog Archive » links for 2006-10-10 http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-824 blogdriverswaltz.com » Blog Archive » links for 2006-10-10 Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:18:10 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-824 [...] It’s a Tag World, My Masters at twopointouch: web 2.0, blogs and social media (tags: folksonomy tagging web2.0 collaboration socialbookmarking) Bookmark it:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] [...] It’s a Tag World, My Masters at twopointouch: web 2.0, blogs and social media (tags: folksonomy tagging web2.0 collaboration socialbookmarking) Bookmark it:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

]]> By: Ian Delaney http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-817 Ian Delaney Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:01:39 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-817 You're too kind, Mike. I'm enjoying your blog, too - sorry I haven't commented recently. Yes - you need sufficient numbers of people for there to be 'soulmates' among the taggers, people who talk your language. You’re too kind, Mike. I’m enjoying your blog, too – sorry I haven’t commented recently.

Yes – you need sufficient numbers of people for there to be ’soulmates’ among the taggers, people who talk your language.

]]> By: Mike http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-816 Mike Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:29:57 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-816 A fantastic article Ian. I'm a huge fan of tags, more because of the impact they've had on my personal experience of the web from an information management and networking perspective. A few observations - it seems to me that there is a directly proprotionate relationship between the size and diversity of the tagging community and the accuracy or ability to identify relevant search results through the resulting folksonomy. This is counter-intuitive to age-old models of knowledge and information categorisation but (and perhaps it Surowiecki's Wisdom of Crowds acting up again), tagging continues to deliver the goods for me and my corporate clients. Interesting to watch how this approach to info man will evolve though... And thanks again for a phenomenal blog - you're prolific man! A fantastic article Ian.

I’m a huge fan of tags, more because of the impact they’ve had on my personal experience of the web from an information management and networking perspective.

A few observations – it seems to me that there is a directly proprotionate relationship between the size and diversity of the tagging community and the accuracy or ability to identify relevant search results through the resulting folksonomy. This is counter-intuitive to age-old models of knowledge and information categorisation but (and perhaps it Surowiecki’s Wisdom of Crowds acting up again), tagging continues to deliver the goods for me and my corporate clients.

Interesting to watch how this approach to info man will evolve though…

And thanks again for a phenomenal blog – you’re prolific man!

]]> By: What is Non-Linear Search? at twopointouch: web 2.0, blogs and social media http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-543 What is Non-Linear Search? at twopointouch: web 2.0, blogs and social media Fri, 29 Sep 2006 09:01:34 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-543 [...] (The question comes from Simon Collister, who I am sure has a few ideas of his own up his sleeve. But since he wrote a fab post about tagging, which in turn fuelled my own effort on the subject, it’s definitely my turn to go first!) [...] [...] (The question comes from Simon Collister, who I am sure has a few ideas of his own up his sleeve. But since he wrote a fab post about tagging, which in turn fuelled my own effort on the subject, it’s definitely my turn to go first!) [...]

]]> By: Ian Delaney http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-541 Ian Delaney Thu, 28 Sep 2006 22:10:43 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-541 You really helped me with this, Simon. It took Stuart's post to crystallise the endgame for me, to be honest. It's the next stage of progression for this approach. I just found this on the wink blog: "...we’re trying to do something different here. We’re trying to give search to the people. One person at a time. Who are Google or Yahoo to tell you what the best restaurants are in San Francisco? What do they know about it? Perhaps you know better and can help others out in the process?" which, like Yahoo Answers, really helps support that idea about finding human knowledge rather than what machines can decrypt from our (my) ramblings. Non-linear search? Crikey. I'll have a go... You really helped me with this, Simon.

It took Stuart’s post to crystallise the endgame for me, to be honest. It’s the next stage of progression for this approach.

I just found this on the wink blog:

“…we’re trying to do something different here. We’re trying to give search to the people. One person at a time. Who are Google or Yahoo to tell you what the best restaurants are in San Francisco? What do they know about it? Perhaps you know better and can help others out in the process?”

which, like Yahoo Answers, really helps support that idea about finding human knowledge rather than what machines can decrypt from our (my) ramblings.

Non-linear search? Crikey. I’ll have a go…

]]> By: Simon Collister http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-540 Simon Collister Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:24:37 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-540 Thanks for following up my internal wranglings over tagging! It's a great post, but my favourite bit (and you saved it for last!) is about the way tags haven't yet reached maturity but how when they do may change the way we search. Deliciious' founder talks in an interview with Blogging Businessweek that tags work by changing the linear search structure of Google. He doesn't clarify what the opposite of a linear Google search is. Obviously, it's a non-linear search but what does this mean and imply? Help please. Thanks for following up my internal wranglings over tagging!

It’s a great post, but my favourite bit (and you saved it for last!) is about the way tags haven’t yet reached maturity but how when they do may change the way we search.

Deliciious’ founder talks in an interview with Blogging Businessweek that tags work by changing the linear search structure of Google. He doesn’t clarify what the opposite of a linear Google search is. Obviously, it’s a non-linear search but what does this mean and imply? Help please.

]]> By: Ian Delaney http://twopointouch.com/2006/web-2-0/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/comment-page-1/#comment-537 Ian Delaney Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:35:33 +0000 http://twopointouch.com/2006/09/28/its-a-tag-world-my-masters/#comment-537 Scepticism is probably the most reasonable reaction until these services reach maturity. I think the full implications of tags are quite unnerving compared to traditional search terms. They initially seem like a simple ad-hoc filing system but ultimately might change the way we find and store items on the internet. We're moving from trusting an algorithm to trust networks between people. That said, it will be some time before I use something like <a href="www.wink.com" rel="nofollow">wink</a> to search for very specific terms as opposed to what I know works pretty well on Google. OTOH, multimedia searches already work better through tags - flickr search is already delivering much better results than Google Images. That's why they launched the labelling initiative, I guess. Scepticism is probably the most reasonable reaction until these services reach maturity. I think the full implications of tags are quite unnerving compared to traditional search terms. They initially seem like a simple ad-hoc filing system but ultimately might change the way we find and store items on the internet. We’re moving from trusting an algorithm to trust networks between people.

That said, it will be some time before I use something like wink to search for very specific terms as opposed to what I know works pretty well on Google. OTOH, multimedia searches already work better through tags – flickr search is already delivering much better results than Google Images. That’s why they launched the labelling initiative, I guess.

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